Carsten Holler: We are still very much in this belief in the pursuit of happiness, achieving this by fulfilling needs, but I don't think this works. I think we have come to quite a degree of saturation of our needs, and post-utopian would be to give this up, this strive.
Ben Lewis: To be less goal orientated?
Carsten Holler: The goal would be to not have a goal anymore, and that's a big goal, so how do you get beyond that?
It’s dark. You exhale a fist of memory. I love you like weathering wood in a...– James L. White, from “Lying in Sadness” in The Salt Ecstasies